26 June 2013 Sully District Council Meeting Minutes
by Jeffrey Parnes, First Vice President, Secretary Pro Tem
ATTENDANCE:
Council Members:
Jim Horner, Century Oak
Mark McConn, President, Bull Run
Jeff Parnes, 1st Vice President, Chantilly Highlands
John Thillmann, Manderly
Tami and Ted Troscianecki, Virginia Run
Rick Vaughan, Dartmoor Woods HOA
Kevin Wolfe, Franklin Glen
Presenters/Guests:
Jim Bonk, Virginia Run
Mike Collins, Congressman Connolly's office
Bill Denny, Sully Station II
Ed Donahue, Donahue & Sterns
Jim Hart, BZA/PC
Judith Heisenger, BRCA
Bonnie Hobbs, Centreview
Steve Logan, Virginia Run
Mike Lott, CCIC
Charles McAndrew, Franklin Farm
Jo McCloskey, CCIC
Daniel and Lynn Seitz, Poplar Tree
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order by Council President Mark McConn at 7:00 PM.
The minutes for the May 2013 Sully District Council are available online.
Refer to the June agenda for meeting announcements.
MEMBERSHIP PRESENTATION: Supervisor Frey's State of Sully Report
Supervisor Frey first spoke to Transportation:
There is optimism that we will be in a position to address our needs based on the state’s passage of the new funding
There will be more money for mowing medians
The widening of Stringfellow Road for 1.9 miles will cost $63 million based on utility relocations - there are pipelines connecting the Gulf of Mexico to New England that had to relocated
The state is waiting to see what the property rights constitution amendment does to the cost of property acquisition, owners now have to be compensated for not just fair market value but in addition, loss of income - no one knows as of now for how long. It will increase cost of transportation improvements
Q&A: Does it apply to emanate domain for utility relocation? - Yes
Sully is seeing increases in traffic from jurisdictions to our west and south
The Large Unnamed Government Agency (LUGA) off the Air and Space Museum Parkway on Rt 28 has a 7-year build out plan for a total of eight or nine buildings. The good news as the property is leased, it is not off the county's tax roles. It will bring 8-9000 more jobs, bringing more traffic
Legislators want fast action based on new funds, but there was no design underway because there was no construction money, so the ramp up will take some time
One fast start - widening Rt 28 to four lanes from Rt. 50 to Tollroad and to the north of Tollroad based on tax district money used for design
Other planned improvements
Lengthening dual left turn lanes from southbound Rt 28 to eastbound I66. It used to be a morning problem, but not a problem during evenings, but now it backs up both times of the day. The design is complete - construction should start this summer or fall and may be finished late 13/early 14.
The Rt 29 bridge over Rocky Run - a design/build contract was recently awarded, some ROW needs to be acquired, and a staging site determined. It should start winter 2013/14 with a 15-month duration
Lee Rd culvert will be replaced and the road widened. They will start in 2014 and finish in 2015
Q&A Will they stop the left merge onto Lee Rd from southbound RT 28? No solution as of yet, maybe light on Rt 50 just for left turn like other exits off Rt 28. Mike doesn't necessarily like the idea of another light on Rt 50 at that location. There was talk about trying to create an extended right lane that would loop back into the Airport exit opposite Lee Road. Neither the airport nor the church are keen on that idea.
Walney Rd bridge replacement will start next year. There is a separate federal category for bridge replacement, so dual funding is needed to continue the four lanes from the bridge reconstruction north to where four lanes currently end at Willard Road. The separately-funded project will continue the four-laning and remove the one-lane section of Walney Road north of Willard Road as well. The bridge replacement should be finished by end of 2014. It is expected that the Walney Road detour will go into effect in 2014 after school ends for the summer.
The widening to six lanes of Stonecroft and Westfield boulevards was in the proffer. The widening is needed to move traffic through intersections, construction should be underway late this summer. Although the roadway in front of the Sully Government Center isn't part of Westfields proffer, additional funding was found to include that section of Stonecroft as well. The widening will not affect the memorial to the fallen officers. The widening will eliminate the current dedicated right-turn lanes which will become through lanes. The widening, which will be done by the Westfields Property Owners Association, will start end of summer 2013. They will coordinate with the police station to provide necessary quick access.
The BOS is trying to spend additional funding wisely and efficiently.
The turn over to WMATA by the Silver Line construction firm is expected by 9 Sept; WMATA then needs at least 90 days for their efforts before they can begin revenue service.
With the activation of the Silver Line, bus routes in north county will change. The county usually doesn't run routes parallel to rail, but the express bus service to the Pentagon will continue at ~$5.95 per trip plus cost of parking at garage instead of the Sunset Hills lot where the bus service starts and terminates now.
Tysons Corner:
It will need heavy investment in infrastructure, but much will be done by the private sector or funded by the tax district. The improvements will add to the county tax basis. The county and the tax district are working to determine which projects are local or through, with funds allocated based on that determination.
There are new road/parking rules for Tysons Corner based on its designation as a urban area. Mike doesn't want to extend the Tysons Corner Traffic Demand Management practices to the rest of the county without seeing how they work. They could be incrementally implemented in other urban areas such as Merrifield or Springfield, but not to the suburban areas of Fairfax County.
Tysons Corner is making strides in transforming Fairfax County. We are first suburban area to try to recreate an urban center. The county has visitors from all over the world coming to observe our transformation.
The board is trying to keep taxes as low as possible and continue services. Things do cost money - people want lower taxes, but when asked what should be cut, most people cant or won't identify areas to cut.
The county will continue to see federal and state funds decrease, especially funding for developmentally challenged students and adults. These services have increasingly been funded by county as other funding sources decrease. State last increased funding in this area six years ago.
The impact of the new Affordable Care Act Medical coverage - it may be that the county medical plan for its employees will be considered Cadillac coverage by 2017 as the thresholds haven't been indexed to the cost of living. Either it will cost the county more money to continue the present level of coverage, or county employees will have their benefits reduced. The act will definitely cost the county money
Q&A
Q I66 & Rt 28 intersection - what’s happening? A VDOT will come back with a preferred design (there is design money available). The interchange will cost from $75 to $125 million depending on what’s included. People are concerned with loss of access at Braddock/Walney Road, some access will be preserved. Public meeting wasn't as well attended as Mike expected. It’s a very difficult intersection.
Q It’s reported that NVTA isn't spending money in Fairfax, and it disturbs me A Not True. Northern VA will retain the money raised here, Fairfax will get its fair share.
Q What's happening with the Schneider Crossing proposed improvement? A The intersection has been congested for as long as he’s been supervisor, didn't meet traffic light warrant to 2003. VDOT wanted traffic circle, versus light. Mike gave green light to circle as needing less property, traffic lights need additional lanes, left, right and through lanes compared to what a circle requires. The original plan didn't fix drainage problem, and trying to fix that brought the price to $6 million just as Fairfax and the rest of the state lost state secondary road funding. Growth in Loudoun has acerbated the problem as people use that as an alternate to Rt 50. Loudoun delegates pressured their county board and the state to spend money to fix the problem even though the intersection is located in Fairfax. Loudoun has raised their contribution to $1.2 million, double that when the additional VDOT matching funds are added to the pot. He knows that Virginia Run (1400 homes) has traffic problems. The Tri-county was a plan to move traffic off Pleasant Valley Road as it connects two primary roads with no other alternates. The CTB picked a further west alignment for its major north/south route which won't alleviate the traffic on Pleasant Valley. Mike is disappointed with some politicians in the western counties for their opposition to the bi-county road. What is needed is the Battlefield Bypass to remove through Rt29 and R234 traffic from within the park. Stone Road is now being used as a commuter route because of the Scneider Crossroads failure
Q Virginia Run is concerned that the improvement will bring more traffic through their community, and we should wait until 2015 when Rt 50 is improved. A We cant wait, we always need improvements, we don't have all the funding for improvements. The traffic backup at the intersection impacts both Fairfax and Loudoun county residents. He will work to protect the communities as best as he can, but he is willing to go forward with the improvement.
Q What is the Park authority’s involvement as of today? A They are involved every step of the way as three of the four corners are park land. The Park Authority is the organization that discovered the globally rare species, and they are in discussion with Cox properties. The Park Authority would like to do active recreation on their land but have no money for road improvements. They are exploring whether they can combine their improvements with VDOT’s improvements. That will be determined when intersection design is finalized, and we see whether their property donation be turned into VDOT building the necessary improvements.
Q A Loudoun Supervisor talks about improving Poland Road with a mini-roundabout as a temporary fix until VDOT re-evaluates the traffic flow after the Rt 50 improvement is complete. Shouldn't we wait with this improvement? A The complaints have been coming in for over 15 years. Not building improvements doesn't stop more traffic from coming. There are plans for a new Catholic High School on Braddock. Mike doesn't think we can wait till 2016. The improvement wasn't Mike's idea, but here’s a chance to do an improvement that's in accordance with our comprehensive plan with someone else’s money
Q Isn't this on a fast track with preliminary engineering underway and completion in the fall? A A decision won't be made until this fall. There are lots of environmental issues, and the Park Authority needs to vet the plans. Cox Farms (who were Sully's Lord and Lady Fairfax this year) needs to review design. There will be a major impact to their parking and facilities, and their entrance will have to be realigned be opposite the park's entrance, there's lots to do. Will be still discussing this next year.
Q Funding - how can this be done if the estimate was $6 Million? A The original estimates included lots of money for fill to raise the road. Now funding is $2.4m, not certain as to final price. If it costs $4 Mil, VDOT doesn't have the money.
Q What is Park Authority contribution? A Their costs are included in the current $3 mil estimate
Q There’s never been a chance for the public to tell the Board of Supervisors their opinion. When will you decide to allow the public to speak on this matter? A In the fall if scheduled, but the county does not usually hold public hearings for VDOT designs.
Q Was the drop from $6 to $3 because the Park Authority gave away its rights? A No, and VDOT hasn't committed to $3 Mil, they talk up to $4 Mil
Q Hope that the post Rt 50 Study doesn't try to improve the secondary roads as ways to get to I 66 and Rt 28, without Fairfax involvement. A No, Fairfax will be included, and a lot of emphasis will be placed on Rt 606 as a major four-lane route from Rt 50 to Rt 28 & Dulles Toll Road hopefully alleviating traffic from Rt 50.
Q Back in 2005 the roundabout might not solve the problem, why now will it work? A We haven't been able to find where it was stated that the roundabout didn't have the capacity. The problem was funding, not capacity. He would not have allowed it to go forward if it wouldn't have solved the problem.
Q What it s the LUGA’s impact to Franklin Farm Road and Lees Corner Road? A No question, there will be more traffic, Centreville Road is supposed to 6 versus current 4 lanes, and Rt 28 eight instead of six, Mclearen and West Ox roads are shown as four with sections of Mclearen road missing, Franklin Farm is shown as only two. Can not predict where people will come from, new folks will move to local neighborhoods to work there or live close to where they work.
Q What is your position with Milestone communications as they go forward with new communications towers? They indicated that they work closely with the Supervisor office. A His office takes no position on the towers. But the demand is always increasing. Mike met with them, he thought that a tree pole might be better than a tower. Mike hasn't seen any community want a pole. The shorter the pole/tower, the more will be needed. It’s up to the developer to work with the community, and it’s up to the Planning Commission, not Board of Supervisors. Mike can't be responsible for a HOA informing its members or school informing its students’ parents. He makes them send out post card notices. Mike will ask staff to make notices stand out more.
Action: Planned upgrades for Crown Castle Hunter Mill DAS network
Location: Hunter Mill Road
Crown Castle is planning upgrades (pptpdf) on certain DAS nodes in the Hunter Mill network to accommodate 4G LTE service by AT&T.
The completion of this project will bring faster data speeds and increased network capacity to the areas served by the network, allowing these residents and mobile users access to cutting-edge wireless technology. The locations to be changed are highlighted in the attached slide deck.
The work at each node involves removing the existing node cabinet and replacing it with a new-generation 4G cabinet which is similar in overall volume to what is currently permitted and installed. There will also be some replacing of cables and antennas contained within the existing shrouds and risers. Nodes 5, 6 and 7 are moving into initial construction and will be installed with this configuration under the current County building permits. While minor in nature, this work is a critical part of Crown's routine and continuing efforts to keep its DAS networks operating at peak performance.
Crown expects to commence this activity as soon as weather and availability of our construction crews permit. Work at each node will be fairly brief, and Crown will manage traffic in conformance with its VDOT maintenance permit for occasional ROW work. Because this work involves (i) a "like-for-like" swapping out of components with no change in function, and (ii) no significant change in size to the permitted equipment and enclosures, Crown does not require and is not seeking any County approvals for this work. But, in the interest in being a good community partner and keeping you and the staff informed about our activities in the area, we wanted to provide you with this information ahead of our work in the field.
The attached slides provide a list of the locations to be improved, sample "before" and "after" pictures of the cabinets, and a profile drawing of the new installation. We wanted to let you know about this work ahead of time so that you would be fully informed in case there are any resident inquiries to you or the Supervisors' offices.
DAS needs to improve - one carrier originally - Sprint, but would be available to upgrade. Verizon, ATT and T-mobile will be joining, these will have cabinet upgrades - no need for 2232 hearing, three out of the four proposed changes border Sully District
Mergers - Sprint will deactivate push-to-talk this summer. These DAS poles are strong enough that there is no need to change the current antennas themselves, just to cabinets. Better service, no change to vision impact
DAS allows for infill between tall towers
Q What is the closest public safety facility that uses the towers? A Enhances 911 service, but not specific to any one facility. The wiring hubs don't have to be collected with the DAS poles, the hub for all but Verizon is located in an Oakton office park.
DAS is low powered, and could not support a full network, but can fill in select network gaps, about 1/4 mile each .
NEW BUSINESS
The Virginia Run Representative, Ted Troscianecki, made a motion that the SDC oppose the proposed improvement to the intersection at Schneider Crossroads until such time as the widening of Rt 50 is completed and a traffic study is conducted to verify the need for the intersection improvement. The motion was seconded
The following points were made during the discussion.
The Virginia Run Board of Trustees has voted to oppose the improvement with same conditions.
There is no empirical data to show there is a problem at this intersection. The studies have not been completed, and if the studies have been completed, they are invalid as long as the Rt 50 improvements are not complete.
The 4-way stop sign is fairest for all uses of the intersection.
Let's wait until the Rt 50 improvements are complete and study performed.
If the motion is approved, it should be sent to both Mike and Sharon.
This a Loudoun County improvement, and there needs to be a public hearing, and there’s been no opportunity to have Fairfax County residents speak to it.
This is an intersection in the RC section of the county which was designed to protect our water supply. The intersection is near endangered globally rare species, and near old-growth forested wetlands. The environmental issues may be instrumental in any decision.
The 4-way stop sign is a restrictive valve on the South Riding traffic.
If you speed up the four-way stop it will incentivize cars to use Braddock and bring more traffic through the RC.
This cant be a Loudoun versus Fairfax county situation, otherwise we should block the entrance to the county. But there need to be more studies to resolve the environmental issues
The motion as amended was approved by a 2-1 vote with two abstentions:
The Sully District Council of Citizen Associations opposes the project to modify the intersection at Braddock and Pleasant Valley roads until the completion of the Rt. 50 widening and a traffic study is conducted to verify the need for the intersection improvement.
The Virginia Run Representative, Ted Troscianecki, made a motion that requesting the Board of Supervisors hold a public hearing on any improvement to this intersection after VDOT determines the final design and before the Board votes to endorse the decision
The motion was seconded and after discussion, the motion as amended was approved by a 4-0 vote with one abstention
The Sully District Council of Citizen Associations requests the Board of Supervisors hold a public hearing on any improvement to the Schneider Crossroads intersection after VDOT determines the final design and before the Board votes to endorse the decision
UPCOMING SULLY DISTRICT MEETINGS
The July meeting will take place on the 24th and will feature a Land Use and Transportation portion and then a Board meeting to plan the topics for the remainder of the 2013 meetings.
Land Use and Transportation scheduled presentations:
7:00
Proponent: Sara V. Mariska, Esq., Walsh, Colucci, Lubeley, Emrich & Walsh, P.C.
Location: Sunoco at the intersection of Willard Road and Daly Drive
We received our first round of staff comments and are tentatively scheduled to have our Planning Commission hearing on October 3, 2013.
The application proposes to add four (4) fuel pumps, increase the size of the quick service food store from 1,571 to 3,159 square feet, and relocate the car wash to the west given that Sunoco has entered into a lease agreement with the landowner for some additional land area.
The submission materials are attached for your review and information.
7:30
Proponent: James D. Turner, Esq., Law Offices of Thomas, Ballenger, Vogelman and Turner, P.C
Action: Crilley Warehouse, LLC Amendment to change SUP 2003-SU-012
Location: 14810 Murdock St, Chantilly, VA
On the docket with the BZA on July 31, 2013 at 9:00 a.m.
The property is now being utilized as a lacrosse facility and is run under the name of Nova Field House by Pat Stewart. Mr. Stewart runs a lacrosse league and has hundreds of youth participants in the community. Nova Field House has the appropriate Non-Rup (non-residential use permit) as required by the County. Mr. Stewart has a company called Triple Edge Lacrosse (link to: http://www.tripleedgelacrosse.com/About_us.html)
In our letter of justification, we confirmed that we are seeking minor changes. The first change is to have the SUP in the name of the property owner (Crilley Warehouse, LLC) and to allow the permit to run with them. Nova Field House is a co-applicant. However, if they terminate their lease my client, Crilley Warehouse, LLC, wants to be able to substitute another Lessee in without going back before the board. This is a typical practice within the County for properties with SUPs.
Next, as it stands now, there are no hours listed in the actual SUP. We would like to continue with this provision. As you are probably aware, the area is an industrial area zoned I-3. It has no nearby residential and has the distinction of being one property away from the Police Shooting Range. Noise is not an issue with the facility. The activities are inside the building except for the parking. We are not seeking to change the amount of car trips, capacity or anything else.
Please feel free to call me or email me with any questions. I am sure Pat Stewart will allow any interested party to visit and walk around the facility. It would be best to either call me or Mr. Stewart prior to arriving to ensure there are not events which prohibit access.
The SDC needs to determine topics for the indicated TBD dates during the remainder of 2013:
August 28, 2013 - No Presentation (Board Only/Land Use)
September 25, 2013 - Fifth Bi-Annual Legislative Candidates night
October 23, 2013 - TBD
November 20, 2013 (Third Wednesday - Thanksgiving conflict) - TBD
December 18, 2013 (Third Wednesday - Christmas conflict) - TBD
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 10:10 p.m.
Respectively submitted by,
Jeff Parnes
1st Vice President and Secretary pro tem
Sully District Council