Sully District Council of Citizens Associations
P.O. Box 230042
Sully Station, VA 20120-0042
Agenda for 1 November 2016 Joint Sully District Land Use and Transportation Meeting
by Jeff Parnes
- The Sully District Joint Land Use and Transportation Committee will meet at 7:00 p.m. on 1 November 2016 in Fair Oaks Public Safety Facility (AKA Fair Oaks Police and Fire/Rescue Station), 12300 Lee Jackson Memorial Hwy, Fairfax, VA, 22033. This meeting is on the first Tuesday of the month with participation by members of both the Land Use and Transportation committees of the SDCCA and WFCCA. The meeting will be canceled if Fairfax County Schools or after school activities are canceled due to adverse weather the day of the meeting.
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Our next Membership meeting is scheduled for 7 PM 16 November, topic is public safety in Sully District. See the last minutes and agenda.
Land Use and Transportation Committee:
- In light of the recent amendment to the Code of Virginia, the county has provided us with a statement be to read when our land use committee meets with a prospective applicant for a rezoning or proffer condition amendment (PCA) for new residential development and/or new residential use in areas of the County that are not exempt from Virginia Code Section 15.2-2303.4. It is recommended that if our committee is meeting with more than one applicant to read this statement for each rezoning/PCA.
- All times estimates are provided as a courtesy, presentations will start after the completion of the proceeding presentation, however long it takes. Recommend that presenters be ready at least 30 minutes prior to their scheduled time.
- 7:00 -- ZOA on Wineries in the R-C District
- Proponent: Donna Pesto, Zoning Administration Division, Department of Planning and Zoning, Fairfax County
- Action: Proposed Zoning Ordinance Amendment
- Location: R-C District
Donna is be handling the ZOA on wineries in the R-C district which the BOS authorized. The proposed changes to County regulations concern farm wineries, breweries, and distilleries - in order to align with the recent changes to State law.
A very basic summary is that the State "outlawed" new farm wineries, breweries and distilleries in the R-C Zoning District (which includes all of the Clifton area, etc.), but allowed existing operations to expand in the future--but only subject to a Special Exception permit from the Department of Planning and Zoning (at which time the application would be reviewed for projected impacts of such an expansion). The proposed regulations establish such a Special Exception category (for existing operations only), as well as standards for such a Special Exception, including regulation of special events, etc. Farm wineries, breweries, and distilleries could still be located in some other zoning districts, such as R-E zoning (which is prevalent in the Great Falls area), but the proposed regulations would establish a 20-acre minimum for such applications, rather than the 5-acres required for general agricultural use in such districts.
The PC public hearing will be Wed, 16 Nov 16, and the Board of Supervisors hearing 6 Dec.
7:45 -- Chick-Fil-A in Sully Plaza (return visit)
- Proponent: Sheri L.Akin, Senior Land Use Planner, McGuireWoods LLP
- Action: SEA 85-C-069-03 for a proposed drive-thru restaurant
- Location: Sully Plaza Shopping Center
- From the On-line Land Use and Transportation Committee Presentation Registration Form:
- Exempt: Is
- Statement Acknowledged: N/A
- Description: Proposal to replace the existing KFC restaurant with a Chick-fil-A drive-thru in the Sully Plaza Shopping Center
Her office represents Chick-fil-A regarding a proposed drive-thru restaurant in the Sully Plaza Shopping Center. Chick-fil-A is proposing to replace the existing KFC. The application was put on hold for a short while as the geotech analysis was completed. They now have a Planning Commission date of November 9. The application number is SEA 85-C-069-03.
The staff report has been published.
Notes from their October appearance:
- Chick-Fil-A restaurants causes traffic backs wherever they are sited. Response: By building more stores, the lines at each should be smaller. Each Chick Fila owner can only own one store, and not be a silent owner anywhere else
- Access to the shopping center is poor from either the Metrotech Drive opposite Pohanka or the entrance near Backyard Steakhouse
- How do we prevent people from going the wrong way down the one-way aisle?
- How do pedestrians get to the site from CVS?
- Who is responsible for maintaining the storm water retention pond -- it looks bad
- Internal circulation at a shopping center is dangerous for drivers, pedestrians, bicyclists, etc. The more popular the facility is the more danger exists
- Could the facility be reoriented parallel with RT 50 rather than perpendicular?
- Maybe Chick-Fil-A should be using a higher visit number than the usual fast food facility. Response: Stores use roving folks to take orders and payments to try to serve more customers
- 8:15 -- Riding and Boarding Stable on Bull Run Post Office Rd (return visit)
- Proponent: Keith Martin representing Stonebridge Investments LLC
- Action: SP 2016-SU-090
- Location: Bull Run Post Office Rd
- From the On-line Land Use and Transportation Committee Presentation Registration Form:
- Exempt: Yes
- Statement Acknowledged: N/A
- Description: SP 2016-SU-090 Stonebridge Investments LLC for a riding and boarding stable. This is an existing riding/boarding stable that was grandfathered, but lost its status when the land area was
reduced for a residential subdivision and some land added to the adjacent winery
- Notes from their October appearance:
- How is the subdivision impacted buy this use?
- What is access to this site through the neighborhood?
- How many horses allowed -- by ordinance, so many per acre?
- Will this become a noxious neighbor to the new homes that will be built? Response: NV Homes will write in to the conditions of the new homes contracts
- Need to see trails, how it fits in bigger picture
- After the October meeting At-Large Planning Commissioner Jim Hart posed the following query to county staff:
- Did you all ever get any more information about the equestrian center SP case off BRPO Rd? I had some questions which you all may have asked already. Specifically:
- How do vehicles/horse trailers get to the public road through the new subdivision? I assume all traffic would come from BRPO Rd somehow, rather than up from the winery side? Is there a gravel road or paved road or what? Is there a cut through?
- Does VDOT or OT have any issues with running the vehicular access to a nonresidential use down private roads? Is the entrance near or along any houses?
- Also what is the configuration of the adjacent new houses, and how do they relate to the access road?
- Does the nonresidential use need frontage on a public road?
- Is the site an outlot or a lot, and does that make a difference?
- Also what is the distance between the existing structures and the new homes, and their orientation? Seemed like at least the one building might be close to backyards.
- Also how do the connections to trails work, and where exactly do the trails go? Are they public trails? Is there an easement? Are there going to be gaps through the subdivision, or is it continuous? Can someone go from BRPO Rd to the stream valley/battlefield, and vice versa?
- Has the floodplain been located? It was vague on the drawing.
- I understood from Keith Martin there were no outdoor lights and loudspeakers proposed and would want to confirm that.
- I was at the first meeting with WFCCA and SDC folks, which had a lot of questions and not a lot of answers. I believe Keith Martin is coming back in a couple weeks. I wondered if the discussions with staff had progressed further in the meantime, and if anything had changed.
- Staff responded as follows:
- They did have a meeting with Keith and a representative from the applicant and requested a great deal more information from them. They provided an updated plat and a revised statement of justification, however staff doesn't believe all of its questions have yet been answered. Staff is having another internal meeting about the application and then the application will be presented at the regular staffing meeting. This is to say that staff's understanding of their proposal continues to evolve.
- Staff provided a few answers at this time:
- Their method of access to BRPO Road is in three phases. First, it will continue to be at its current point, next it is proposed to have an interim access point from BRPO Rd. to Delaney Chase Way and Lady Adelaide Court once those streets are constructed for the new subdivision, finally it is proposed to be located via a 30 ft. ingress-egress easement that runs from BRPO Road (just south of the new subdivision), along the southern side of the subdivision, to the riding and boarding property. The final access point will have a commercial grade entrance to BRPO Road and will be paved a minimum of 25 feet.
- The revised plat does show the floodplain and areas of RPA which just cross the edges of the property to the north and west and do not cover either of the barns. However, one of the equestrian trail easements does cross the RPA.
- The revised plat does depict the equestrian trail easements which cross over the "tails" of the subdivision lots. One of the trails leads to the future Delaney Chase Way, one leads north toward the Park Authority trail system, and one leads south toward the winery.
- The riding and boarding property is not directly adjacent to any of the subdivision properties. There are two houses in existence on the adjacent property that are currently occupied by renters, but staff will need more information from the applicant as it understands many of the structures in this area are proposed to be demolished.
- Attached are the revised plat and statement for review.
- Old Business
- The Fairfax Center Area Study
- Fairfax Center Area Study Map The Fairfax Center Area Study [Plan Amendment (PA) 2013-III-FC1] is a multi-phase planning study to examine the Comprehensive Plan guidance for the Fairfax Center Area. The Fairfax Center Area comprises approximately 5,500 acres west of the City of Fairfax and east of Centreville, generally between Lee-Jackson Memorial Highway (Route 50) and Lee Highway (Route 29). The area has evolved from greenfields into a community of neighborhoods, retail, and employment. The Fairfax Center Area Study provides an opportunity to assess how the Fairfax Center Area will continue to evolve in the next 20-30 years.
- The Board of Supervisors adopted Phase I of the Fairfax Center Area Study [PA 2013-III-FC1(A)] on December 2, 2014. This phase involved an evaluation of the Comprehensive Plan recommendations for the suburban neighborhood and low density residential areas along the edges of the study area. The adopted text can be found here. The second phase, currently underway, is evaluating the Suburban Center portion of the study area and the Area-wide guidance. An area-wide working group has been meeting monthly to discuss proposed Plan changes. Find out more about the progress of the study at the working group's meetings page.
- Public hearings for this study have been scheduled for:
- Planning Commission: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 8:15 P.M.
- Board of Supervisors: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:30 P.M.
- Visit the meetings page for more information on the Working Group meeting schedule.
- The Dulles Suburban Center Study
- The Dulles Suburban Center Advisory Group has stated its meetings to consider updating land use recommendations for the Dulles Suburban Center.
- The Dulles Suburban Center Study is a land use planning study that will update recommendations for future land uses and development. The last Comprehensive review of land use recommendations occurred in 1993. The comprehensive planning study will assess current conditions and the planned land uses of approximately 5,000 acres of land that are adjacent to the Washington-Dulles International Airport along the Route 28 and Route 50 corridors. This study will not include Land Units A and B of the Dulles Suburban Center since they were the subject of a recently adopted land use study.
- Submissions to suggest potential changes to the Dulles Suburban Center Plan were received. Land Units A and B will be excluded from consideration at this time. Please see the form for other exclusion areas.
- The interactive map of Dulles Suburban Center provides a variety of information, including layers showing the location of police and fire stations, schools, bike trails, bus routes, libraries and much more. Click on the "Layers" tab to the left of the map and scroll through the available layers. Please note that some layers are only visible if you zoom in or out on the map. You can also use the "Address Search" feature found below the "Information" tab to locate a specific address and see what features are nearby.
- If you have any questions about this study, you may contact the Planning Division by phone (703-324-1380, TTY 711 (Virginia Relay)) or email DPZDullesSubCenter @ fairfaxcounty.gov
- New Business
- Paul VI High School relocation to Loudoun County
- This will be on the south side of Braddock Rd out past Cox Farms, west of BRPO Rd but much of the traffic will have to use Braddock and other Fx Co roads. See this Loudoun Times article
- Supervisor Smith's office has been asked to keep a close eye on this as there will be additional pressure on VDOT to do improvements on Fairfax County roads which will do nothing more than create additional through traffic in Western Fairfax. Although we have no control over land use decisions in Loudoun, it is thought that their traffic problems shouldn't become our traffic problems.
- Items of General Interest:
The Sully District Council's December meeting will on the 21st - scheduled: Fairfax County Public Schools.
The SDCCA Land Use and Transportation Committee meets jointly with the WFCCA Land Use Commit6ee. The next joint meeting is tentatively scheduled for 1 December at the Sully District Government Facility community room.
Items tentatively on the agenda
- 7:00 -- COPT SE for additional height at Westfields
- Proponent: G. Evan Pritchard, Senior Land Use Planner, McGuireWoods LLP
- Action: SEA for additional height
- Location: Westfields Office Park
COPT would like an SE to allow a hight of 120 feet. Here is a link to the nearby Aerospace property that was approved for height up to 165' in 2009.
Jeffrey M. Parnes
Land Use and Transportation Committee Chair
Sully District Council
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